The Awareness Podcast, Ep. #91: Living in Not-Knowing with Jenny Beal and Ellen Emmet: Psychology From a Nondual Perspective

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Jenny Beal and Ellen Emmet: Psychology From a Nondual Perspective

In this episode, Jenny and her guest Ellen Emmet explore the interplay between the vertical, here-and-now dimension of the spiritual path, and our human experience in space and time.

They discuss:

  • The role of exploration of the body in the spiritual path
  • Whether freedom, truth and authenticity are prerequisites for happiness
  • Body-mind conditioning as universal patterns of the mental realm, analogous to the patterns of the physical realm that are the subject of science
  • Dealing with trauma
  • When shadow-work is needed
  • How to protect ourselves from developing ‘spiritual ego’
  • The importance of spiritual friendships

The podcast ends with Ellen describing how difficult circumstances in her life have resulted in a surrender to not-knowing and an understanding that surrender is not-knowing.


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About Ellen Emmet:

Ellen’s deepest intuition was confirmed when she met her teacher in the non-dual tradition, Francis Lucille. Hearing his words, she recognized the eternal, limitless and universal nature of our shared reality. Over the years, this understanding has continued to unfold and to touch all levels of experience.

At the very same time, Ellen has never ceased to delve into the depths of her human experience, seen and unseen, thirsting for a wholeness and connectedness which appeared to be lost or obscured. This unstoppable quest brought her to therapy, Jungian workshops (and later Jungian analysis), Dream Work, Authentic Movement and creative writing.

More and more, she senses that each of our lives is a journey of revelation and integration, (including its darker crossings), through which the face of truth can shine uniquely and anew, wedding us to our direct experience and connecting us to the great family of creation.

Today, Ellen offers meetings and retreats in The Awakening Body, a direct exploration of experience sourced in the non-dual tradition of Kashmir Shaivism, Authentic Movement, and self-inquiry.

In addition, she has a private practice as a Psychotherapist, and facilitator of Authentic Movement. Learn more at